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Kern Sibbald
Hello,

Notwithstanding my previous remarks about spam, I have noticed that there is
more and more on this list.  After thinking about it for a while, I can
implement a script that automatically rejects all email by nonsubscribed
users (it also rejects all other email held for administrative approval).

So, what I am suggesting as a *possibility* is:
- Modify the bacula-users (and probably bacula-devel) list to be subscriber
only.
- Nightly purge all email held for administrative approval -- i.e. all emails
from nonsubscribers.  This would be done "blindly" by a script.

What I don't like about this is that some users (such as myself) don't want to
subscribe to lists even to get help, so their email will probably be lost, or
at best, they will be confused and frustrated.  In a sense, it is reducing
our service ...  At the current levels, the spam does not really bother me,
but I can understand that it does bother a good number of you, so I have no
problem changing the list as noted above.

Before embarking on this change, I would appreciate some feedback from those
who are concerned -- you.

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Re: Spam on this list

Andreas Jellinghaus
is there any mailman option or extension that
could implement a challange / response system?
(like most mailing lists have for subscription)

that would allow users to read the mailing list via
gmane and post directly to it - after confirming the
challange mail - without the hassle of subscribing
(which includes passwords, monthly reminders, needs
to be updated if you change your email address etc.).

I would prefer such a challange/confirm system a lot
over simply dropping all mails from outside the world.

Regards, Andreas


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Re: [Bacula-users] Spam on this list

Jo-14
In reply to this post by Kern Sibbald
Kern Sibbald wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Notwithstanding my previous remarks about spam, I have noticed that there is
>more and more on this list.  After thinking about it for a while, I can
>implement a script that automatically rejects all email by nonsubscribed
>users (it also rejects all other email held for administrative approval).
>
>So, what I am suggesting as a *possibility* is:
>- Modify the bacula-users (and probably bacula-devel) list to be subscriber
>only.
>- Nightly purge all email held for administrative approval -- i.e. all emails
>from nonsubscribers.  This would be done "blindly" by a script.
>
>What I don't like about this is that some users (such as myself) don't want to
>subscribe to lists even to get help, so their email will probably be lost, or
>at best, they will be confused and frustrated.  In a sense, it is reducing
>our service ...  At the current levels, the spam does not really bother me,
>but I can understand that it does bother a good number of you, so I have no
>problem changing the list as noted above.
>
>Before embarking on this change, I would appreciate some feedback from those
>who are concerned -- you.
>  
>
My vote goes to a subscribers only list. On the OpenOffice.org lists I
can understand people don't even want to be subscribed for a day or two,
but this list is relatively low volume. People can always unsubscribe
when their problem is solved, but in general it's good 'to stay in
touch'. Especially for such crucially important software as a backup
solution.
While we're at it. It would be nice to have the reply-to field set to
the list where the mail came from and not to the person who sent the
mail. Even though I switched to a mail client that has a send to all
button, I constantly forget that I have to press on that one to get mail
delivered correctly for this list.

Jo


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Re: [Bacula-users] Spam on this list

Dan Langille
On 17 May 2005 at 13:30, Jo wrote:

> While we're at it. It would be nice to have the reply-to field set to
> the list where the mail came from and not to the person who sent the
> mail. Even though I switched to a mail client that has a send to all
> button, I constantly forget that I have to press on that one to get mail
> delivered correctly for this list.

Please do not attempt to highjack this thread with another topic.  If
you want to, start another thread.  Please stay on topic.
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Re: Spam on this list

Jeffrey Taylor-3
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Quoting Kern Sibbald <[hidden email]>:
> Hello,
>
> Notwithstanding my previous remarks about spam, I have noticed that there is
> more and more on this list.  After thinking about it for a while, I can
> implement a script that automatically rejects all email by nonsubscribed
> users (it also rejects all other email held for administrative approval).
>
Since I have to deal with spam thru other sources anyway, I would vote
to not reduce the service the list provides.  Posts by non-members
annoy me a bit but are hardly a major problem, I can alway ignore them
if I choose.  But blindly dropping admin requests seems a very poor
choice.

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Re: [Bacula-(users|devel)] Spam on this list

Ivan Petrovich
Kern & co.,

I, too, vote to keep the status quo because I would personally be
affected by the proposed restriction to the lists.

My subscription goes to address A where mail gets forwards to address
B or C or ... depending on where I am at the time. If I need to make a
posting, I would do it from, say, B, adding a reply-to line pointing
to address A. But that fails to work with many mailing lists (with
restrictions similiar to what's proposed here), so I started spoofing
my return address to say 'A'. That works well for some mailing lists,
but not for the ones that are dead serious about blocking spam. (They
would detect that the address is spoofed and reject my mail.)

I am sure there are users out there who have similar email
arrangements to mine. It is very useful for what I do, and I regret
that its usefulness is dimished day by day as mailing lists become
more and more restricted.

Regards,

Ivan


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Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-(users|devel)] Spam on this list

Grant-3
Ivan,
I would say any responsible admin has similar problems, which is why
most that I know of use IMAP so they can use (if nothing else) webmail
to get their mail no matter where they are...

Sorry to digress :(
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RE: Spam on this list

David Boyes
In reply to this post by Kern Sibbald
>I can
> implement a script that automatically rejects all email by
> nonsubscribed
> users (it also rejects all other email held for
> administrative approval).

Every other significant mailing list I work with has this requirement to
serve it's subscribers, and it's the accepted practice. Unsubscribing
from the mailing list isn't rocket science if you no longer need the
traffic.





 


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Re: [Bacula-users] Re: [Bacula-(users|devel)] Spam on this list

Alan Brown
In reply to this post by Ivan Petrovich
On Tue, 17 May 2005, Ivan Petrovich wrote:

> My subscription goes to address A where mail gets forwards to address
> B or C or ... depending on where I am at the time. If I need to make a
> posting, I would do it from, say, B, adding a reply-to line pointing
> to address A. But that fails to work with many mailing lists (with
> restrictions similiar to what's proposed here), so I started spoofing
> my return address to say 'A'. That works well for some mailing lists,
> but not for the ones that are dead serious about blocking spam. (They
> would detect that the address is spoofed and reject my mail.)

In such a case you subscribe your other addresses and set them to NOMAIL.



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